Rating the 2016-2017 Season Versus the Last 10 Years

joshua_segaljoshua_segal expert
edited February 10 in NELSAP Forum Posts: 1,350
Well folks: With Feb. 8 nominally being the mid-point of this season, it's time to begin obsessing as to where this season fits in with the last 10 years.  What follows is last years final summary:
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Final 2015-6 Summary of this plus the last 10 years:  No real changes to report.

2010-1: Good snow Xmas, MLK and pres. week. No January thaw to speak of.
2012-3: While there was little snow in December and January, February and March have been epic. The snow that did happen in December was right before Christmas week which was timely from an economic point-of-view. Same was true of the January snow with respect to MLK weekend. Although there was minimal early snowfall, there was a lot of good snowmaking weather in December. There were two nasty January thaws, but great mid-winter skiing right into April. Ski areas closing with 100% full-width open trails.
2013-2014: The fact is, the season had a promising start, but two major meltdowns really put a damper on the season. Mad River Glen was all but shut down for a couple of weeks in January. January was unusually cold. We had a great Feb. vacation week, ending in a thaw that pretty much "firmed up" the surfaces followed by a major cold snap. The skiing in March was epic from Killington north and pretty good elsewhere. Superb skiing continued in April. Those in the Mid-Atlantic states might rate this season as #1.
2008-9: Early ice storm, superb Jan./Feb.
2014-5: Early season: - No October skiing, but great from mid-November to mid-December; Christmas: Rain - pretty well killed the business for the week; January including MLK Weekend: Bad - not much snow, not much business; February: Unbelievably great snow, but record cold weather kept the crowds away; Late season was great with Killington going until Memorial Day.
2007-8: Lots of rain and temp swings
2009-10: slow start to season, early ending
2005-6: decent start with some snow and cold temps, Xmas week was a washout and March was almost completely snow-less.
2006-7: Bad start; bad finish; good middle
2011-2: After October blockbuster storm, almost no natural snow all season. While the skiing was adequate on snowmaking trails, natural snow glade skiing and other aspects of the sport that involved natural snow, never materialized
2015-6: After a flurry of mid-October skiing at Killington and Sunday River, things went dead for 3 weeks or so. December was one of the warmest in history with almost no snowmaking opportunities.  Much of ski country did not even open until after Christmas. The absence of natural snow has minimized glade skiing. Mad River was open a grand total of 45 days and 1/3 of those were Practice Slope only.  Killington ran until May 29 despite receiving only 1/3 of its normal snow total. Most areas closed 2 to 3 weeks earlier than usual.  A few old timers remember seasons this bad but not in the last 10 year.
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An initial observation:
Early season: Excellent, but only at Killington
Snowfall: Average to average plus
Economics: Excellent Christmas week both weather-wise and snow; MLK Weekend was excellent despite a generally poor January
February: Off to a gangbuster start

My initial placement would be between 3 and 5 with lots of potential to move up or down:  Your thoughts

Comments

  • Posts: 1,632
    It's been overall pretty average so far. Some places have had a better than normal winter so far while others have had it worse off than normal. However it looks like this winter may soon be moving towards the better than normal side.
    - Sam
  • rickbolgerrickbolger expert
    Posts: 857

    It's been overall pretty average so far. Some places have had a better than normal winter so far while others have had it worse off than normal. However it looks like this winter may soon be moving towards the better than normal side.

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  • NELSAPNELSAP intermediate
    Posts: 90
    I haven't gotten out as much as I would have liked. A lot of my days off were not so great weather. Despite that, I have had some excellent days - a recent one at Killington, Okemo, and Catamount that were decent. My 3 days of xc skiing were fantastic. JD
  • lotsoskiinglotsoskiing advanced
    Posts: 420
    Slowly getting pretty excellent in VT. Storm Sunday night will help put finishing touches on really good cover. Fingers crossed it all stays around for Prez week.
  • joshua_segaljoshua_segal expert
    Posts: 1,350
    NELSAP said:

    I haven't gotten out as much as I would have liked. A lot of my days off were not so great weather. Despite that, I have had some excellent days - a recent one at Killington, Okemo, and Catamount that were decent. My 3 days of xc skiing were fantastic. JD

    I suppose the fact you were not motivated to get out more is a statement in and of itself that it is )at least for now) a below average season.  Is that correct?

    And to lotsoskiing: It seems like VT did better than most of New England this season. Not so?
  • NELSAPNELSAP intermediate
    Posts: 90
    Below average for our neck of the woods for alpine. We only got 4" of snow in January, which was the warmest on record - +11.2 degrees in Glens Falls. Yuck.
  • riverc0ilriverc0il advanced
    edited February 11 Posts: 203
    Many of us were hiking for turns in October and then November was not great (though K hosted a World Cup, that has to count for something). December was one of the better ones in recent memory. But January was one of the worst I have seen (excepting New Year's Day, that was absolutely epic). February looks like it could go big. It seems like we are going every other month is either unusually good or unusually bad. 

    Goodness knows I never judge a season early, but I gotta raise an eye brow when this thread gets started before we even can factor in the biggest week of the year for the resorts. That said, the season is certainly and easily above the bottom third of the pack. If the cold and snowy trend continues in February and we have a good spring, the season could certainly end up in the top third of seasons. Who knows, I am not even halfway done with my season. 
  • joshua_segaljoshua_segal expert
    edited February 11 Posts: 1,350
    Many of us were hiking for turns in October and then November was not great (though K hosted a World Cup, that has to count for something). December was one of the better ones in recent memory. But January was one of the worst I have seen (excepting New Year's Day, that was absolutely epic). February looks like it could go big. It seems like we are going every other month is either unusually good or unusually bad. 

    Goodness knows I never judge a season early, but I gotta raise an eye brow when this thread gets started before we even can factor in the biggest week of the year for the resorts. That said, the season is certainly and easily above the bottom third of the pack. If the cold and snowy trend continues in February and we have a good spring, the season could certainly end up in the top third of seasons. Who knows, I am not even halfway done with my season. 
    I agree with pretty much everything you said.

    And riverc0il: We've both been on SJ long enough to know that both of us are predictable.  I bring up this subject every year in Feb. and you reply that it's too early. :))

    But seriously, I know that when I go to a play, I often discuss the quality of the play at intermission or a football game at half-time.  I suspect that most people would have mis-assessed the Super Bowl this year at half-time!  IMO, that doesn't minimize the fun of discussing it!

    A summary of the response to date: Most of the response has the season so far as average.  I have it as average+ because as awful as November was, Killington never missed a day; December was good; as awful as January was, we got the MLK weekend; and Feb. to date has been exceptional.

    I can see that those who do not consider the overall timing of condx for the busy seasons (Xmas week and MLK) would probably have it as average to average-minus.
  • riverc0ilriverc0il advanced
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    But seriously, I know that when I go to a play, I often discuss the quality of the play at intermission or a football game at half-time.  I suspect that most people would have mis-assessed the Super Bowl this year at half-time!  IMO, that doesn't minimize the fun of discussing it!

    Your analogy falls a bit short because of the name of the thread. If the thread was "What are your thoughts halfway through the season?" then it analogs well with your halftime example of asking people about the first half of the game. 

    I've tempered my criticism of the end of season thread being too early, I used to flame pretty hard about it. Now I just enjoy giving you the business. :) Perhaps I am not remembering correctly, but I can't remember you making this post before President's Week before.
  • joshua_segaljoshua_segal expert
    Posts: 1,350
    riverc0il said:

    But seriously, I know that when I go to a play, I often discuss the quality of the play at intermission or a football game at half-time.  I suspect that most people would have mis-assessed the Super Bowl this year at half-time!  IMO, that doesn't minimize the fun of discussing it!

    Your analogy falls a bit short because of the name of the thread. If the thread was "What are your thoughts halfway through the season?" then it analogs well with your halftime example of asking people about the first half of the game. 

    I've tempered my criticism of the end of season thread being too early, I used to flame pretty hard about it. Now I just enjoy giving you the business. :) Perhaps I am not remembering correctly, but I can't remember you making this post before President's Week before.
    I suspect that my choice of the title was indicative that while this may be a "half-time" discussion at the end of the season, I'll post what I understand to be the consensus of the participants on this thread.

    You are correct that I usually post it closer to Pres. Day vacation. But I saw a thread with a similar concept on Alpine zone at the end of January (which I thought was too early since it wasn't even at the halfway mark).

    Regardless, one of the things I like about SJ is that we may disagree, but except for a troll here and there, not much flaming on SJ - what little there is IMO is just good natured fun.
  • marcskimarcski advanced
    Posts: 190
    1) Way too early, Joshua.

    2) I also basically agree with Riv.

    3) Everyrhing, even the woods were starting to set up nicely the last couple of weekends. Yesterday and today were pretty amazing. A foot+ is predicted for tomorrow and tomorrow night. Another storm Tues-Wed and this Presidents Day week is looking to be set up really nicely.

    4) I am becoming even more addicted to sliding on snow since I started tele skiing about 2 years ago. I can't gwt enough.

    5) As a result of my newfound tele addiction, I have gotten a pretty good number of days (considering I still am a full-time working stiff) in this season and am set up for a wonderful 2nd half.

    I will repost in this thread in May.

  • lotsoskiinglotsoskiing advanced
    Posts: 420
    Getting pretty epic right now in CVT...get to the slopes tomorrow!
  • joshua_segaljoshua_segal expert
    Posts: 1,350

    Getting pretty epic right now in CVT...get to the slopes tomorrow!

    I suspect the season has notched up a bit with the storms of the week of Feb. 7 to 13!


  • riverc0ilriverc0il advanced
    Posts: 203
    And more to come Weds into Thurs. Even if we have a bad spring, this season is certainly above average now. It would take continued good snow into March and great spring skiing April/May to make it into the top tier. But if we broke up ratings by quarters, this is definitely 3/4 right as the season stands currently.
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