Which areas beside Killington and Sunday River will try to open in early Nov. or even Oct.?

RemskiRemski advanced
Last Fall I e-mailed Cannon asking if they were going to open early with all that new snowmaking power. The answer was that they were too busy getting all that snowmaking on the mountain to do it last season but they will revisit the possibility for the Fall of 2017 by doing something like they did in Oct. 1989. So we will just have to wait and see. Personally I hope they do it, because the terrain they opened back then is a lot more fun than what the others have offered.
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  • Posts: 2,012
    Wildcat and Bretton Woods are always possibilities.

    I wonder what will happen with Woodbury this year.
    - Sam
  • RemskiRemski advanced
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    Okemo will if the temps are in their favor.
  • joshua_segaljoshua_segal expert
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    Remski remembers 1989 when both Killington and Cannon opened on Oct. 1. BW competed for last-to-close honors for a season or two (2007-2009), but when they were sold, the new owners didn't value the late season product.  

    Okemo, Woodbury - and even Brodie competed for first to open - never last to close.  Wildcat and Sugarbush competed for late season, but never early season.  

    Sunday River and Sugarloaf were on both ends.  But I don't see anyone making a serious run at Killington as long as Mike S. is running the place.
  • MadPatSkiMadPatSki intermediate
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    Mont St-Sauveur in the Laurentians opened a few times in October over the last decade. Off the top of my head, 2015, 2013, 2011...
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  • DrJeffDrJeff advanced
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    My hunch is put Mount Snow on the list as well this year as a sleeper choice. I'm guessing, just like when Peak 1st installed all the fan guns now heading on a decade ago and they were the 1st area to open in VT that year as a way to tout their new firepower with the fanguns that they may just want to flex their newly enhanced snowmaking muscle that the West Lake Project gives them.....
  • mtsnow123mtsnow123 advanced
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    DrJeff said:

    My hunch is put Mount Snow on the list as well this year as a sleeper choice. I'm guessing, just like when Peak 1st installed all the fan guns now heading on a decade ago and they were the 1st area to open in VT that year as a way to tout their new firepower with the fanguns that they may just want to flex their newly enhanced snowmaking muscle that the West Lake Project gives them.....

    That's a great point. I remember that being 07 or 08. The date if I am correct is November 12th. Best opening day conditions I can remember. The park staff put rails and features on Long John under the fan guns, not sure if we will ever see that again.
  • newpylongnewpylong expert
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    The day was 11/10/07 and I was there as well. Here are some pictures.

    Temps were at the very high end of marginal and they were running the fans to flex some muscle. 
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  • joshua_segaljoshua_segal expert
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    mtsnow123 said:

    DrJeff said:

    My hunch is put Mount Snow on the list as well this year as a sleeper choice. I'm guessing, just like when Peak 1st installed all the fan guns now heading on a decade ago and they were the 1st area to open in VT that year as a way to tout their new firepower with the fanguns that they may just want to flex their newly enhanced snowmaking muscle that the West Lake Project gives them.....

    That's a great point. I remember that being 07 or 08. The date if I am correct is November 12th. Best opening day conditions I can remember. The park staff put rails and features on Long John under the fan guns, not sure if we will ever see that again.
    2007-8 was the first post-ASC years when Killington wasn't even on the radar.  Mt. Snow may open earlier than usual, but I'm still betting they will be 2 to 3 weeks behind Killington.
  • ChuckstahChuckstah advanced
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    This is openg day at Loon in 2013 on November 8th. They will go for an early Nov open, but only if the temps and forecast for a week out look good for several snowmaking windows. It was top to bottom off the gondola and East Basin double with thin cover and narrow sections in places. imageimage
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  • rickbolgerrickbolger expert
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    Don't count out Cataloochee  :D

    I saw BW mentioned above, they've had a couple of one-off early openings, unexpectedly open some pancake flat ribbon of snow for a day and then shut down just as quickly, and stay shut down for a while.  Doesn't get much publicity.

    In 2014 they opened November 10, just a couple days after KMart & the Riv

    In 2006 Sugarloaf was first although Woodbury "opened"  earlier
  • skipro77skipro77 intermediate
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    I was working at Cataloochee when they were open for Halloween a few years back, 2007 perhaps.  They have consistantly tried to get open in early November, even if just for bragging rights.
  • pagamonypagamony advanced
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    The base of Cat is about 4660' and I have also skied there on Easter.  Sugar will compete.  App has already set their opening day as Nov 17.  Skipro77 - what were you doing down here ?
  • joshua_segaljoshua_segal expert
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    Cataloochie actually was first to open (or close to it) a few seasons ago.  But in my "New England elitism". I skipped over the Dixie ski areas. :-)
  • mtsnow123mtsnow123 advanced
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    newpylong said:

    The day was 11/10/07 and I was there as well. Here are some pictures.


    Temps were at the very high end of marginal and they were running the fans to flex some muscle. 
    Wow those photos bring back some memories! The Summit Local, before the Bluebird Express.
  • slathamslatham advanced
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    No doubt Mt Snow will show off the new water supply. Not sure how much earlier they'll go for it, but I am sure that when they do it will be full on and maxed out on the new water supply.
  • newpylongnewpylong expert
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    I also don't think they will fight for first to open but when they do open the acreage will be much higher than in the past. North Face run, couple down the front plus Long John and Carinthia. All the water in the world is not going to change elevation or weather in So. Vt.
  • riverc0ilriverc0il advanced
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    Remski said:

    Last Fall I e-mailed Cannon asking if they were going to open early with all that new snowmaking power. The answer was that they were too busy getting all that snowmaking on the mountain to do it last season but they will revisit the possibility for the Fall of 2017 by doing something like they did in Oct. 1989. So we will just have to wait and see. Personally I hope they do it, because the terrain they opened back then is a lot more fun than what the others have offered.

    I'd be really surprised if Cannon went for it despite the fact that they have one of if not the best early season setup in New England with the tram and upper mountain lift. 

    Whether or not they go early or not, it would make a lot of sense for them both regarding expansion and long term finances to start up top and work down. The higher elevation means less snow loss during a warm up and better snow making opportunities when it is marginal. They could blow out a route or two up top and expand downward to the Peabody once they have a good window.

    Operationally, it might be challenging for them to operate all services from Tramside. And operating the tram and the Cannonball for just one or two runs isn't cheap. But it makes all the sense in the world from a snow making perspective and also marketing (both running the tram ASAP and also getting top to bottom sooner, Cannon is usually the last in NH to go top to bottom).

    I don't see any other major area competing with Killington and Sunday River for serious early opening honors. Wildcat has the fire power now but they need to get lucky with top to bottom snowmaking. 2k base helps but isn't as good as K or SR which need to blow far less terrain higher up in elevation. Mount Snow and Okemo would be very weather dependent regardless of if they might be interested or not. 
  • RemskiRemski advanced
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    I'm wondering if Cannon will go for real early snowmaking to attract some of the international ski teams for practice before the World Cup at Killington. I think that Profile would make a great slalom practice slope and Tramway might be a contender for some GS practice.
  • skipro77skipro77 intermediate
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    pagamony said:

    The base of Cat is about 4660' and I have also skied there on Easter.  Sugar will compete.  App has already set their opening day as Nov 17.  Skipro77 - what were you doing down here ?

    I was the ski school director there from '78-'88 and again from '96-2009.
  • rickbolgerrickbolger expert
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    skipro77 said:

    I was working at Cataloochee when they were open for Halloween a few years back, 2007 perhaps.  They have consistantly tried to get open in early November, even if just for bragging rights.

    That's quite possible, in 2007 I wrote that Sunday River opened on Halloween day then closed,  Cataloochee maybe did the same?    Either way, Cataloochee and Sugar opened for real on November 7th  (Sugar beating Cat by a couple hours)   Woodbury opened and the Riv reopened on the 8th, Sugarloaf on the 9th. A lot of areas started snowmaking early that year and the first week of December was awesome -- then it went bad when the weather shifted -- really bad.
  • RemskiRemski advanced
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    From what I see on the temp forecast at Killington this coming Monday-Tuesday they might fire the guns but dought they’ll open. At the least I think they’ll make snow on the top of Superstar to get that started. Guns have been out on the Glades triple trails for weeks now. I’m sure they may try to get that open, we’ll see.
  • NELSBEERNELSBEER advanced
    edited October 14 Posts: 259
    Mount Snow isn't really making its tentative plans too secret. On August 14th they posted a plan to open in100 days. 
    That would be November 22nd. Obviously weather will enter the equation... the interesting part may be how much they open with. It looks like they want to open with a descent amount of terrain for everyone.

    Highly commercial Video, in other places they have discussed doing twice as many trails at once compared to prior years.
     
  • newpylongnewpylong expert
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    Remski said:

    From what I see on the temp forecast at Killington this coming Monday-Tuesday they might fire the guns but dought they’ll open. At the least I think they’ll make snow on the top of Superstar to get that started. Guns have been out on the Glades triple trails for weeks now. I’m sure they may try to get that open, we’ll see.

    All you'll see is some mice get evicted but that's it. No base building with the 10 Day forecast as it is.

  • slathamslatham advanced
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    newpylong said:

    Remski said:

    From what I see on the temp forecast at Killington this coming Monday-Tuesday they might fire the guns but dought they’ll open. At the least I think they’ll make snow on the top of Superstar to get that started. Guns have been out on the Glades triple trails for weeks now. I’m sure they may try to get that open, we’ll see.

    All you'll see is some mice get evicted but that's it. No base building with the 10 Day forecast as it is.




    Forecast is not good until around the end of the month. At that point the models are strongly pointing to a change to the cold, maybe white, and maybe sustained. I think that is when most of the major areas will start making snow. November 1st is the start date for making snow at many areas and that's when the cold looks to come in so I'd expect a lot of activity.
  • obienickobienick expert
    edited October 15 Posts: 938
    Why would Cannon have to open Tramside to do a Killington/SR style early season opening? Why not use the Main lodge and run the Peabody Quad for uploading/downloading?

    And why is the Tram so expensive to run? I thought trams are the most efficient ski lifts because the weight is better balanced.
  • ChuckstahChuckstah advanced
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    Cannon has offered early season skiing up top in the past from the tram base. No reason it can't be duplicated. I skied there Halloween many years ago. Certainly it's the best setup in the east. They also stayed open til May one year, if I remember right. And middle Hardscrabble was poachable til the end. But you had to work your way back. Towards the tram, as Peabody double was mot running. I really hope they will consider doing this again with the snowmaking improvements.
  • newpylongnewpylong expert
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    K is planning to make some show snow this evening.
  • joshua_segaljoshua_segal expert
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    newpylong said:

    K is planning to make some show snow this evening.

    Where did you see that?  I thought they might when the low for tonight was predicted to be 19, but as of now there seems to be at most a 4 hour window between 4 and 8 AM.  There also has been about a 6 degree per day moderation in predicted temps. As a result, beyond tonight, there does not appear to be any SM wx in the forecast for the next 10 days.

    That being said, I hope you're right and I'm wrong!
  • slathamslatham advanced
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    Any snowmaking over the next week is either a test, or a mistake.
  • RemskiRemski advanced
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    Well the temperature on top of Cannon as of 6:30 is 26 degrees so if any high elevation ski areas want to "blow out the mice" tonight there certainly will be snow coming out of the guns.
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