New Bretton Woods Gondola for 2019

JonniJonni intermediate
While part of me is surprised, there's another part of me that isn't. I'm not sure that it's really what the mountain needs, but it will definitely be a flashy lift to take pictures of!

https://liftblog.com/2017/12/14/bretton-woods-plans-new-hampshires-first-8-passenger-gondola/

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  • joshua_segaljoshua_segal expert
    Posts: 1,948
    I think BW has the largest collection of the shortest HSQs at any ski area.  They barely need an HSQ, much less a gondola!
  • newmannewman advanced
    Posts: 278
    15 million on a lift for mainly summer and fall business? Is all that money for the lodge cost also, or just the lift? Would be cool for a wedding party and sunset dinners. They used to use the quad to the other lodge for restaurant purposes. A truck was also used for the people who were scared of the chair ride. It was called the TopOQuad restaurant. I've never been to BW. So I ask, will this lift make the skiing better or does it look like its addition won't make much difference?
  • SnowmasterSnowmaster advanced
    Posts: 173
    Goes a little higher up than the Bethlahem chair, but not to the Rosebrook summit. Too short for a gondola, they should have spent this money on expanding past the Tbar with a detachable quad.
  • NELSAPNELSAP advanced
    Posts: 268
    That new restaurant will have one of the best views in New England. A base to summit (well near summit) does beat the current two lift rides that are required now.

    A bubble chair may have sufficed otherwise.
  • rickbolgerrickbolger expert
    Posts: 1,191
    From a skiing-only point of view, this is ludicrous.  

    From a four-season business point of view, it makes perfect sense, albeit at enormous cost.  Biggest winter benefit is they can run night rides up & down for overpriced meals.  I'll bet that part of it becomes a big money maker if they do it right -- super premium everything, .   Big bucks at Vail.  Also better for bicycle stuff, and especially weddings as mentioned.  

  • newmannewman advanced
    Posts: 278
    Stowe added the lights on the gondi (one run and a teaching area) just because they were running it for the Cliff House restaurant to be open for dinners Fri and Sat nights in high season. As far as I know now, both the night skiing and night restaurant (via gondi) are no longer a thing. It will make it better for the 40 mountain bikers a day, that's for sure.
  • ski_itski_it expert
    Posts: 1,887
    Although every time I'm there I think to myself that it'd be so nice to have a lift that goes all the way to the top...
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  • rickbolgerrickbolger expert
    Posts: 1,191
    They've got to do it right to create a  "dining experience"  

    If they do one of the concrete-and-steel mountain top lodges we know and love at Killington, Jay, Cannon, etc., it ain't gonna work.

    Here's the one at Vail -- currently $115 per person for the gondy up, snowcat ride, dinner.

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  • JMaulJMaul advanced
    Posts: 269

    They've got to do it right to create a  "dining experience"  


    If they do one of the concrete-and-steel mountain top lodges we know and love at Killington, Jay, Cannon, etc., it ain't gonna work.

    Here's the one at Vail -- currently $115 per person for the gondy up, snowcat ride, dinner.

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    For half that, you can take the Smuggs' Sterling Double up to "Top of the Notch" and enjoy a 3 course meal in a rustic setting then snowshoe down. BYOB and no gondy required.

    I agree with most that this is to broaden year-round activities.
    You ski because even if you don't do it well, it's still a blast....
  • rickbolgerrickbolger expert
    Posts: 1,191
    JMaul said:



    For half that, you can take the Smuggs' Sterling Double up to "Top of the Notch" and enjoy a 3 course meal in a rustic setting then snowshoe down. BYOB and no gondy required.


    Yeah, no.  This is a different target audience....

     



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  • obienickobienick expert
    Posts: 1,008
    Wasn't it 2 trails that were lit at Stowe? I thought it was Gondolier and Perry Merril.

    Would this replace the Bethlehem Quad and the Fabyan Triple or be in addition to them? 36 cabins and 1200 fpm would be 1440 pph, less than the triple or the quad. If the former, they're going to have to do something to increase beginner opportunities as Upper Swoop is far too steep for beginners to access Ben/Big Ben/Bigger Ben, Breton's Wood, and Sawyer's Swoop. If the latter, would this put too many skiers up on the ridge? I've never been to BW on a weekend so I can't comment how crowded it gets with both the Rosebrook Quad and the Fabyan Triple running.


  • ChuckstahChuckstah advanced
    Posts: 377
    Wasn't it 2 trails that were lit at Stowe? I thought it was Gondolier and Perry Merril.

    Would this replace the Bethlehem Quad and the Fabyan Triple or be in addition to them? 36 cabins and 1200 fpm would be 1440 pph, less than the triple or the quad. If the former, they're going to have to do something to increase beginner opportunities as Upper Swoop is far too steep for beginners to access Ben/Big Ben/Bigger Ben, Breton's Wood, and Sawyer's Swoop. If the latter, would this put too many skiers up on the ridge? I've never been to BW on a weekend so I can't comment how crowded it gets with both the Rosebrook Quad and the Fabyan Triple running.

    I believe Stowe just had one run for the night skiing.  I would night ski there 2 or 3 times a year, later season when the first hour or two was daylight allowing turns in the woods and river beds, and other non lighted areas,  for short money on Friday nights on the way up.  As for the BW gondola it is in addition to the current lifts.  It certainly won't hurt business and will hopefully force improvements at the competition.  Rumor from last spring is Loon will be announcing a new replacement gondola soon.  Maybe this will force their hand and make the rumor reality?


  • ski_itski_it expert
    Posts: 1,887
    I haven't been there that many times haute season but I would venture the green ridge runs don't get too crowded as the other skiers take more direct routes. Off Rosebrook, Panorama, although blue is pretty easy after the first 50 yards. But yeah they may have to do some smoothing & widening.
    I seen Fabayan running once but like I said I'm not there that often
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