Rating the 2017-2018 Season Versus the Last 11 Years

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  • bmwskierbmwskier expert
    Posts: 539

    4aprice said:

    If you notice your kids' report cards, obviously schools don't agree.  I don't know what they do now,  but when I was a kid, we got report cards every 5-weeks.

    Every parent can check their kids' grades on some kind of online grading program like Powerschool or Infinite Campus, so we can rate away-- usually grades are updated every week or so. 

    Been a really, really good March-- no doubt about that. The fifties over the next couple of days will do it for the snow around Montpelier and i am sure a lot of the woods trails but the man made stuff should hold (I hope...)
    "Making ski films is being irresponsible with other people's money, in a responsible sort of way..." 
    Greg Stump
  • joshua_segaljoshua_segal expert
    edited April 4 Posts: 2,147
    If we consider the ski season to be Oct. 15 to Jun.1, we are well passed 2/3.  I suspect that given the collection of SJers, most are past 90% in terms  of skier visits.  The summary on the last page has this season rated as 7th of the 11 years from 2007-8 to 2017-8.  I think it has been generally agreed that this season was a little poorer than last (2016-7: 4th place).  Is there any ground swell to raise this season above  2008-9 (5th place) or 2014-5 (6th place)? 
  • edited April 4 Posts: 2,361
    I would bump it to 6th place because this season is ending in a similar fashion to 2014-2015, but late December and January was better this year, despite the cold.
    - Sam
  • slathamslatham advanced
    edited April 4 Posts: 180
    I need to double check my notes (not with me at moment) but I am going with this year being better than last year from my purview in SoVT.

    Christmas certainly had better snow conditions this year (everyone has a different cold threshold but I did not miss a day) with a 10" Pow day Christmas morning and great skiing thereafter.

    MLK worse this year but last year wasn't great iir.

    Presidents week was eerily similar....with a dump pre-weekend last year and 6-7" Saturday night this year. Then the meltdown both years.

    But the Presidents weekend melt down last year created poor skiing for several weeks, until Stella on March 12–15. This year there was a 12-14" storm leading into the weekend after Presidents - the first weekend of March - and then off to the races for what has to be one of the best March's EVER.

    And the snowpack remains strong with maybe more on Friday?

    So I think think year, in SoVT at least, beats last year.
  • joshua_segaljoshua_segal expert
    Posts: 2,147
    Re Slatham's comment above:

    2016-7: Excellent Xmas Week including snow, wx and crowds; 
    2017-8: Xmas week lost due to extreme cold

    2016-7: MLK Weekend was excellent despite a generally poor January
    2017-8: MLK weekend lost to epic meltdown

    2016-7: Presidents Week lost to extreme cold
    2017-8: Presidents week lost to extreme warm

    2016-7: March was great
    2017-8: March was great

    So 2017-8 (IMO) loses to 2016-7 based on Xmas and MLK.  And the analysis vis-a-vis S. VT: VT is off 15% from last season.

  • CannonballCannonball advanced
    Posts: 243
    I generally agree with Joshua's assessment above.  The only 2 things I'd slightly change:

    2017-2018 Christmas week:  Was extremely cold, but there was very good snow.  It loses out to the previous year, but it wasn't "lost".

    2017-2018 President's Week.  I would not at all say it was lost due to extreme warm.  The opening Saturday was good sunny groomer conditions.  Fun for anyone.  The Sunday morning was 4-6" of fresh on top of the groomers.  Best conditions of the season up to that point.  Monday and Tues were spring-like soft ski days (at least at Waterville).  I left after that so I can't recall how good or bad it was.  But 4 good days in a row doesn't count as the week being "lost".

    Lastly, the above comments are only in relation to the way this whole comparison is handled here on SJ.  Personally I don't believe the ski season only consists of 2 vacation weeks, 1 holiday weekend, and spring.  There is a whole lot of skiing that happens in between all of those specific events. And not just for the die-hards but also for lots of families, day-trippers, random one-timers, etc.  The resorts and surrounding businesses count on all of this other 'non-holiday' income too.  But I know that's never going to be a consideration in this analysis so I won't go there.  I'm well aware that I could start a different thread that compares the seasons in a different light.  So until I do that, I'll contribute only within the rules of this one. 
  • joshua_segaljoshua_segal expert
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    riverc0il noticed correctly, that I give a significant nod to the economics of a ski season and he is right.  I admit that it is a bias of mine.

    That being said, with regard to Xmas 2017, it was cold enough that Wiidcat and Killington both closed for a day.  And yes, the snow was better than good - but snow is only one of the aspects that makes for great skiing.

    And Feb. vacation 2017: Yes: Sunday the 18th was an awesome day, Monday was so-so; the rest of the week was awful.

    While I did not elaborate on the rest of the season, I didn't think I had to, because between Jan. 10 and March 6 (Mar. 2 for Southern VT), there were very few great days and if there was snow on one day, it melted or was rained on almost immediately.
  • riverc0ilriverc0il advanced
    Posts: 316

    riverc0il noticed correctly, that I give a significant nod to the economics of a ski season and he is right.  I admit that it is a bias of mine.

    Additionally, it should be noted in your defense, you have offered (if I remember correctly) that someone else could do the recaps and keep track of the results if the object. That would allow someone else's own personal bias to have a "final say". But no one has taken up the torch. So I protest more in jest at this point (thus my OP in this thread). JS does a fine job tabulating and incorporating a variety of input and we are more than welcome to do the "enthusiast version" version if we disagree with JS's industry and SoNH biased version. 
  • NELSAPNELSAP advanced
    Posts: 368
    March was a 10/10 on my scale-I had some amazing days on the slopes...2 feet of powder at Catamount, perfect "chalky" powder at Mad River, cranking out run after run on the groomers at Stratton from 9-4 in bluebird sunshine and near freezing temps, Berkshire East 100% open with no crowds, Cranmore cruising and racing for the Ski Museum, Tenney's reopening with packed powder and zero crowds, West Mountain at night with temps in low 30's on perfect snow overlooking the lights of the Upper Hudson Valley...just a one of a kind month.
  • rickbolgerrickbolger expert
    Posts: 1,330
    I think it's reasonable to say this was an average decent season.  Snow, ice, rain, freezes, thaws, seems like normal, which is a lot better than the bad years.  I could've done without the bombastic cyclone thing when JCP&L ineptitude left me without power for seven (7) days

  • slathamslatham advanced
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    I think it's reasonable to say this was an average decent season.  Snow, ice, rain, freezes, thaws, seems like normal, which is a lot better than the bad years.  I could've done without the bombastic cyclone thing when JCP&L ineptitude left me without power for seven (7) days




    I would agree UP UNTIL MARCH. as nelsap correctly put it, March was a 10/10. That is why this year is well above average, and why I think it beats last year, from a skiers (vs ski area aka skier visits) perspective. IMHO.
  • bubblecufferbubblecuffer advanced
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    Ok, so this is getting good.  The cold front that bombarded the northeast last night appears to be hell bent on sticking around.  I see freezing temps every night for the next week in here Sterling MA with daytime temps not above 50.  April skiing is going to be stellar this season.
  • joshua_segaljoshua_segal expert
    Posts: 2,147

    Ok, so this is getting good.  The cold front that bombarded the northeast last night appears to be hell bent on sticking around.  I see freezing temps every night for the next week in here Sterling MA with daytime temps not above 50.  April skiing is going to be stellar this season.

    Apr. 3-4 - rain; I'm at Killington (4/5-4/6).  The only thing stellar about the skiing is the cover.  The surface is January ice.  The jury is definitely out on April skiing.
  • bubblecufferbubblecuffer advanced
    Posts: 301

    Ok, so this is getting good.  The cold front that bombarded the northeast last night appears to be hell bent on sticking around.  I see freezing temps every night for the next week in here Sterling MA with daytime temps not above 50.  April skiing is going to be stellar this season.

    Apr. 3-4 - rain; I'm at Killington (4/5-4/6).  The only thing stellar about the skiing is the cover.  The surface is January ice.  The jury is definitely out on April skiing.
    Once it does soften, there is going to be a lot.


  • 4aprice4aprice advanced
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    Ok, so this is getting good.  The cold front that bombarded the northeast last night appears to be hell bent on sticking around.  I see freezing temps every night for the next week in here Sterling MA with daytime temps not above 50.  April skiing is going to be stellar this season.

    Apr. 3-4 - rain; I'm at Killington (4/5-4/6).  The only thing stellar about the skiing is the cover.  The surface is January ice.  The jury is definitely out on April skiing.
    Once it does soften, there is going to be a lot.


    The forecast makes me think that this weekend everything remains pretty locked up.  Things start to break late next week and then its full on spring (hopefully for my last 2 weekends of the season).  If the final 2 weekends are sun, fun and soft moguls (ie. real spring skiing) that will up the grade.

    As for this weekend I think I might just hang here and close out the Camelback season with a better chance of softer snow down here. (got to be warmer down here)  BTW, the Pocono's making it in to the 1st week of April has got to count for something grade wise.

    Alex

    Lake Hopatcong, NJ


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