Whaleback Mountain Updates

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  • mapnutmapnut expert
    Posts: 822
    It's heartwarming that with all the Eastern ski areas reeling from the terrible winter and EB-5 scandal fallout, little Whaleback is pushing ahead with improvements. (Not that I sent them any money.)
  • newpylongnewpylong expert
    edited July 2016 Posts: 563
    pagamony said:


    mapnut said:

    It's heartwarming that with all the Eastern ski areas reeling from the terrible winter and EB-5 scandal fallout, little Whaleback is pushing ahead with improvements. (Not that I sent them any money.)

    Do or die for Whaleback. After missing the scheduled start to the last 3 seasons due to inadequate snowmaking weather they had to find a way to get usable terrain open by Xmas. Project allows opening T-bar in 3 days as opposed to 10 off top using existing snowmaking with minor improvements. Once T-bar area open they can proceed to the top, but in meantime people are on the hill. Also hugely increases learning terrain which was #2 deficiency behind snowmaking. Project is best ROI for what capital could be raised in one season.
  • obienickobienick expert
    Posts: 935
    10 days?  Is that a very conservative timeframe?  That seems like a lot of time to get a ~3000' route open.
  • newpylongnewpylong expert
    edited July 2016 Posts: 563
    10 - 12 hr windows or 120 hours minimum. Historical it is rare to get a full day of nominal (nominal for them is <20 Wet bulb) temps let alone 5 prior to xmas.

    600 gpm water, 900 cfm air (if no money to lease additional air), early 90s vintage fan guns and air/water guns, poorly designed water distribution system - the obstacles all add up.
  • WhalebackWhaleback intermediate
    edited July 2016 Posts: 29
    Newspaper article on project: http://www.vnews.com/Whaleback-update-3555992

    We at $91K in our fundraiser.
  • Posts: 969
    GOOD NEWS!!! The $100K goal was reached!

    Really looking forward to seeing the progess of a Hall t-bar install. Never thought I'd witness one. Granted the lift is over 30 years old, but still.....

    IBRAKE 
  • obienickobienick expert
    Posts: 935
    Congrats!
  • WhalebackWhaleback intermediate
    Posts: 29
    Good afternoon SJ,

    If the install goes on time, and if weather cooperates we aim to open in mid December to get our race teams/clubs on snow here and also get people skiing here vs elsewhere prior to and through Christmas as opposed to after.

    Going to be a big party on opening day for sure for a ribbon cutting - hope some Snow Journalers make it.
  • Posts: 969
    Whaleback said:

    Good afternoon SJ,

    If the install goes on time, and if weather cooperates we aim to open in mid December to get our race teams/clubs on snow here and also get people skiing here vs elsewhere prior to and through Christmas as opposed to after.

    Going to be a big party on opening day for sure for a ribbon cutting - hope some Snow Journalers make it.
    Please post pics of the install progress! Will they be sandblasting the towers and will new T's themselves be installed? Can't imagine the existing springs within the masts will have decent tensile strength after being unused all these years. 

    IBRAKE 
  • WhalebackWhaleback intermediate
    edited August 2016 Posts: 29
    Will do.

    The steel itself is in great shape, they are just being wire brushed in spot areas and painted gray no sandblasting required.

    Unknown about the T's themselves at this point.





  • edited August 2016 Posts: 2,008
    Sound like great news!
    - Sam
  • WhalebackWhaleback intermediate
    edited August 2016 Posts: 29
    Some new pictures of progress.

    Someone asked about the towers and T's. The towers will be black and T's do not have springs, they have pistons, so good to go even having been in storage.
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  • newpylongnewpylong expert
    edited September 2016 Posts: 563
    The T-Bar was likely installed new for SUNY Cobleskill in 1981 prior to moving to Platty. Does anyone know anything about them having their own ski hill way back?
  • obienickobienick expert
    edited September 2016 Posts: 935
    Quick google shows SUNY Cobelskill has a 'Ski Lodge' used for functions.  From a master plan for the school, they deem the land they own around the lodge is too far to walk to campus and was rejected for future dorms. However, the land seems to be one of these Startup NY tax-free zones so any ski area remnants may not remain for long.

    The land by the lodge has an aproximately 850' straight clearing, 50-80' wide, with a vertical of about 150' and a 200' long by 140' wide clearing with about 70' vertical.  

    GoogleEarth aerial imagery:
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    Nothing on the skilifts.org survey for new Hall T-Bars there at that time.  

    Two possibilities:

    * 1969 Hall T-Bar for Faculty Students Assoc. (new 'area') (1055' x 198', 600pph, 450fpm)
    * 1971 Hall T-Bar for College Hill Park (new area) (787' x 118', 1200pph, 450fpm)

    I think Alfred State had a T-Bar (probably the '69 one)

    Did Platty have 2 T-Bars? I thought theirs was real long.
  • flbskiflbski intermediate
    Posts: 81
    The first time I skied Platty (late 70's) I think the first year of the "new" triple chair, there was a short t-bar (800'?) parallel to the lower triple across the Blockbuster run out.  About 100' of the t's were tied to the overhead rope for Blockbuster exit.

  • newpylongnewpylong expert
    edited September 2016 Posts: 563
    800 feet by 250 rise is where the T-bar is going at WB so that would make sense. They are adding a fifth tower because of the additional rise over Platty.

    For a period of time until around 2005 Platty had two T-bars, this one  (the Bunny Hop,) and the longer one everyone knows about.


    The gear box says "Cobbleskill" on it and Laszlo - the owner of Platty did tell WB it came from a SUNY hill originally. It was built in 1981.

  • WhalebackWhaleback intermediate
    Posts: 29

    Good morning SJ, 

    Season passes are now on sale for the 2016-2017 ski season.
    Benefits to pass holders are huge, including big day ticket discounts at
    Killington, Sunapee, and new for this year Magic Mountain (under new ownership), etc. A full list of benefits
    can be found here: http://www.whaleback.com/season-pass-benefits/

    We also are going to be offering night tickets to pass holders from ANY mountain for only $20 this year. We also have partnered with numerous discount programs including the popular Ride and Ski NE card.

    Our trail map has been updated to reflect the new West Side Learning and Training center and the new glade (Kraken - name was chosen through voting) has been added: http://www.whaleback.com/trail-map/

    We are also making a substantial investment in snowmaking
    equipment (purchase of 10 HKD Impulse tripods and Lease to buy 2 Demarc-Lenko Titan 2 fans) to help us make more snow in marginal temperatures.

    We have Tramway approval and have begun the relocation and retrofit of the Magic Carpet and Handle/Platter tows. We anticipate approval for T-bar installation this month. Snowmaking loop is complete and testing is underway.

  • WhalebackWhaleback intermediate
    Posts: 29
    SJ,

    Wanted to take a few minutes to inform you on the great set of benefits for our passholders this year. We have people who buy passes just for the discounts. Passes can be ordered online if anyone is interested at: http://www.whaleback.com/season-pass-benefits/ and http://www.whaleback.com/passes/

    Of note our 20% pass sale ends 11/11 after which prices will be full boat.

    KILLINGTON RESORT: UP TO 50% OFF TICKETS ALL YEAR
    Unlimited and Weekday Passholders simply present your season pass at any Killington Resort ticket window to receive 50% off a Sunday through Friday lift ticket or 25% off a Saturday or "peak"/holiday 1-day lift ticket. This offer is limited to one (1) discounted 1-day lift ticket per day, per pass holder, valid any day of the 2016-17 Killington season. Not transferable – for season passholder only.

    RAGGED MOUNTAIN 50% OFF TICKETS ALL YEAR
    50% off day tickets Sunday-Friday, non-holiday ONLY. 

    MOUNT SUNAPEE: UP TO 50% OFF TICKETS EARLY AND LATE SEASON
    Unlimited and Weekday Passholders simply present you season pass at any Sunapee ticket window to receive 50% off midweek and $10 off weekends from opening day at Mount Sunapee through Sunday, December 20, 2016 and from March 14, 2017 through closing day.

    MAGIC MOUNTAIN - UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT 2016-2017
    50% off day tickets, ANY day, ANY time, without restrictions! 

    EASTMAN CROSS COUNTRY CENTER
    2 for 1 Nordic Tickets and Equipment Rental discounts.
  • WhalebackWhaleback intermediate
    edited August 18 Posts: 29

    Hi SJ,

    Greetings from the Upper Valley. As we did last year we
    wanted to give the forum an update on both mountain happenings and season pass
    pricing in case anything interests people.

    As far as passes, they will officially go on sale on 9/1 but
    they are available for purchase online now: https://www.whaleback.com/passes/
    Early Bird pricing will be in effect between now and 9/30. We have some great
    benefits for pass holders: https://www.whaleback.com/season-pass-benefits/  Please note that as of this writing Magic and
    Ragged are not confirmed partners, but we are anticipating that will once again
    be. We are also likely going to be part of the Freedom Pass program this year –
    even more benefits for our pass holders. Pricing in general has come down a bit
    this year and we have added a new pass – the Young Adult Unlimited (18-29
    years). For $249 you can ski and ride with us any day any time and also receive
    full partner mountain benefits. The Military pass has been extended to include
    not only active but all veterans.

    As for as mountain updates, this off-season has been and
    will continue to be extremely busy for us. We kicked off this spring with a
    comprehensive snowmaking system audit by a leading engineering firm in the industry.
    The results of that report, peer reviewed by another firm, has helped guide us
    towards improvements for this year and future:

    Snowmaking:

     

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    Our snowmaking pump house was levelled to the
    slab and is in the process of being rebuilt. The new building has more space,
    will be safer to operate and heat, and is being built to accommodate future pumps.

    -         
    Our existing 250 HP pump motor was sent out for
    rebuilding – rewound with inverter duty windings, bearing replacements, baked,
    etc.

    -         
    Our fixed speed drive is being replaced with a
    Variable Speed Drive and as such our manual pressure controls in the pump house
    are being eliminated. They were undersized for the volume and required much
    guesswork. New automatic pressure controls will allow us to pump 25-40% more
    water on the hill.

    -         
    All on hill water distribution valves are either
    being replaced or rebuilt. This will help alleviate a lot of the pains for our
    crews in switching water between trails.

    -         
    Our air cooler is being brought back online
    after being out of service for numerous years. Having this will allow us to
    cool our compressed air further in marginal temps to increase output.

    -         
    We are adding fan gun plugs to the
    Scrimshaw/Canyon trails. These have large acreage and the fans will cover it
    quicker and more efficiently.

    -         
    We are adding 2 additional Demac Lenko Titan 2
    fans to our fleet, which will consist of 4 Titan 2.0 fans, 2 older ST 940 fans
    and 10 HKD viper air/water guns. We have never had this much equipment to
    utilize and the water to use much of in combination with each other.

    West Side T-Bar:

    -         Forms for the towers began to arrive today and
    will be set in the holes early next week. We anticipate beginning to pour the
    forms mid next week. The lift is scheduled to be commissioned by the end of
    October. This is a very exciting project for us as it will allow for a more
    dependable opening for the season and increased terrain or our Learning
    Programs. All of the trails with exception of the glade serviced by the T-Bar
    will have lights and snowmaking. Much of which was last used 17 years ago. We
    are excited to bring this area of the mountain back to life.

    See you soon!


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  • slathamslatham advanced
    Posts: 152
    Great to hear of this progress.
  • newmannewman advanced
    Posts: 202
    I would be nervous buying a season pass to a place with 16 guns.
  • newpylongnewpylong expert
    edited August 18 Posts: 563
    Ever skied there?

    I'll answer no for you. That statement is like saying ide be nervous buying a pass to Killington if they had 200 guns. At 700 vert WB is a mole hill. That is enough to light them up t2b. They are a small non profit and prices reflect it.
  • newmannewman advanced
    Posts: 202
    Top to bottom on the t bar?
  • newpylongnewpylong expert
    Posts: 563
    chair
  • WhalebackWhaleback intermediate
    Posts: 29
    Our new snowmaking pumphouse going up and pouring the T-Bar base terminal and towers 1 and 2 this week.
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  • Posts: 2,008
    Whaleback said:

    Our new snowmaking pumphouse going up and pouring the T-Bar base terminal and towers 1 and 2 this week.


    Looking good! I also noticed that a new trail map has been posted which includes the T-bar.
    - Sam
  • WhalebackWhaleback intermediate
    edited September 1 Posts: 29
    Season Passes are on sale at Early Bird rates today until 9/30: https://www.whaleback.com/season-pass-benefits

    New this year - we are a member of the Freedom Pass. Anyone who purchases today through end of 9/4 will be entered into a drawing for a pair of new Nordica Enforcer skis MSRP $700.

    With some of the passholder perks you don't even need to ski at WB to come out ahead quick.
  • Posts: 2,008
    Whaleback said:

    Season Passes are on sale at Early Bird rates today until 9/30: https://www.whaleback.com/season-pass-benefits

    New this year - we are a member of the Freedom Pass. Anyone who purchases today through end of 9/4 will be entered into a drawing for a pair of new Nordica Enforcer skis MSRP $700.

    With some of the passholder perks you don't even need to ski at WB to come out ahead quick.

    Its good to see another mid-sized mountain join the Freedom Pass. With all of those benefits, and reasonable prices, a Whaleback season pass is something I will consider for this season.
    - Sam
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    Whaleback said:

    Season Passes are on sale at Early Bird rates today until 9/30: https://www.whaleback.com/season-pass-benefits

    New this year - we are a member of the Freedom Pass. Anyone who purchases today through end of 9/4 will be entered into a drawing for a pair of new Nordica Enforcer skis MSRP $700.

    With some of the passholder perks you don't even need to ski at WB to come out ahead quick.

    Its good to see another mid-sized mountain join the Freedom Pass. With all of those benefits, and reasonable prices, a Whaleback season pass is something I will consider for this season.

    Because of all of the benefits that come with it, including the Freedom Pass, I decided to get a Whaleback pass for this season. They were very helpful and quickly answered a question I had, even on this holiday weekend. I look forward to skiing Whaleback and the other Freedom Pass mountains this winter. I'll also be sure to get plenty of photos/video of the new T-bar for IBrake.
    - Sam
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