Tenney Mountain Update

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  • RemskiRemski advanced
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    Having skied Tenney many years on season passes I know the ski area quite well. The trail network in the triple section has very little to offer above the lower intermediate sector. Anyone planning to head there should think about doing that when the rest of the mt. is open. I wouldn't want you to waste your trip just on the triple.
  • ciscokidciscokid expert
    edited October 2015 Posts: 1,247

    What a great write-up. Should I make it to New Hampshire this winter Tenney is my very first stop point.

    Whaleback is a close second.

    What do you mean make it to NH, you got to make it to Mich 1st! :D

    Always heard good things of Tenney from my bro and sister in law who's parents have a timeshare condo in Ashland / Plymouth area in which I visited once 10 yrs ago.

    Wouldn't mind eating at the Common Man again and adding the lovely Tenney lattice to a Cannon, BW,Wildcat, and Gunstock redux.

    Will the lattice lift be open this winter?

    Btw IBrake what's with the honours vs honors ? Art thou Swiss Canadian ;))
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    Yes it will, as long as natural snowfall allows!
    - Sam
  • pagamonypagamony advanced
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    Remski said:

    Having skied Tenney many years on season passes I know the ski area quite well. The trail network in the triple section has very little to offer above the lower intermediate sector. Anyone planning to head there should think about doing that when the rest of the mt. is open. I wouldn't want you to waste your trip just on the triple.

    you know, there are a lot of good reasons to go to a new ski area.  it could be a checklist, curiosity, show of support, proximity, taking kids learning, all sorts of things.  saying that you would only go if the full mountain is open is the sort of mentality that contributes to small area closings.   its like green eggs and ham.  just go.  it won't be the last time you go skiing.  
  • joshua_segaljoshua_segal expert
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    I agree with remski.  As a parallel, I've driven past Arrowhead a lot - and yet I have not been tempted to stop in to ski the lower 100 vertical of what appears to have been a pretty decent ski hill.  Again, had I never skied Tenney before and I was "collecting areas", I would make the trip.
  • ski_itski_it expert
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    Hey Cisco if you make it out here & want a ski partner(s), let me know. I'll try to ski anywhere (thing)....besides my ski bottom aren't in great shape any way.   
    ISNE-I Skied New England | NESAP-the New England Ski Area Project | SOSA-Saving Our Ski Areas - Location SW of Boston MA
  • ciscokidciscokid expert
    Posts: 1,247
    ski_it said:

    Hey Cisco if you make it out here & want a ski partner(s), let me know. I'll try to ski anywhere (thing)....besides my ski bottom aren't in great shape any way.   

    Would love to hook up w you and other SJers in NH some day. Having Southwest here in GR and free lodging w my brother and fam in early Jan in Ashland is economical.

    But considering I am planning on going to my nephews wedding near Calgary next Aug it will not happen this year.
    Obviously unable to ski I plan on a couple gondy rides at Lk Louise, Jasper, or Kicking Horse.

    Besides I have to save beer $ as I plan on escorting IBrake on a Nubs/ Boyne tour in Feb.
  • riverc0ilriverc0il advanced
    edited October 2015 Posts: 244
    TomWhite said:

    you know, there are a lot of good reasons to go to a new ski area.  it could be a checklist, curiosity, show of support, proximity, taking kids learning, all sorts of things.  saying that you would only go if the full mountain is open is the sort of mentality that contributes to small area closings.   its like green eggs and ham.  just go.  it won't be the last time you go skiing.  

    EDIT: the quote box is mis-quoting... the quote above is from pagamony. The nesting of quotes on this forum is a bit wonky...



    Have you skied the Triple at Tenney? There isn't much to it. If someone wants to drive a ways to support Tenney with a visit or they enjoy skiing small community areas or they want to try a new area, more power to them. But I could never in good faith suggest Tenney with the triple only to any one except those that specifically want that type of experience. I value mid-sized ski areas. But I will not be skiing the Triple at Tenney this year. And there is nothing wrong with that. 

    Actually, I think just getting the Triple up and running and operating Tenney as a small family/community area with the Triple might be Tenney's best niche. I still don't think it is viable in its current state as a competitive mid-sized area. I think with just the Triple running, Tenney can fill a local niche and keep operating costs down... cater to families that will belly up to the bar while the little ones enroll in season long programs.
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    May I repeat that the Hornet Double WILL be operating this winter, but only with natural snow.
    - Sam
  • riverc0ilriverc0il advanced
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    May I repeat that the Hornet Double WILL be operating this winter, but only with natural snow.

    ...which is to say, rarely. Tenney doesn't get much natural snow.
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    ciscokid said:

    What a great write-up. Should I make it to New Hampshire this winter Tenney is my very first stop point.

    Whaleback is a close second.

    What do you mean make it to NH, you got to make it to Mich 1st! :D

    Always heard good things of Tenney from my bro and sister in law who's parents have a timeshare condo in Ashland / Plymouth area in which I visited once 10 yrs ago.

    Wouldn't mind eating at the Common Man again and adding the lovely Tenney lattice to a Cannon, BW,Wildcat, and Gunstock redux.

    Will the lattice lift be open this winter?

    Btw IBrake what's with the honours vs honors ? Art thou Swiss Canadian ;))
    Oh, MI comes FIRST!! I'm ITCHING to see what Nub's and Boyne Highlands is all about!
  • pagamonypagamony advanced
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    riverc0il said:

    TomWhite said:

    you know, there are a lot of good reasons to go to a new ski area.  it could be a checklist, curiosity, show of support, proximity, taking kids learning, all sorts of things.  saying that you would only go if the full mountain is open is the sort of mentality that contributes to small area closings.   its like green eggs and ham.  just go.  it won't be the last time you go skiing.  

    EDIT: the quote box is mis-quoting... the quote above is from pagamony. The nesting of quotes on this forum is a bit wonky...



    Have you skied the Triple at Tenney? There isn't much to it. If someone wants to drive a ways to support Tenney with a visit or they enjoy skiing small community areas or they want to try a new area, more power to them. But I could never in good faith suggest Tenney with the triple only to any one except those that specifically want that type of experience. I value mid-sized ski areas. But I will not be skiing the Triple at Tenney this year. And there is nothing wrong with that. 

    Actually, I think just getting the Triple up and running and operating Tenney as a small family/community area with the Triple might be Tenney's best niche. I still don't think it is viable in its current state as a competitive mid-sized area. I think with just the Triple running, Tenney can fill a local niche and keep operating costs down... cater to families that will belly up to the bar while the little ones enroll in season long programs.
    The quoting is wonky.  I wonder how this will turn out.  

    No, I have not skied Tenney.  And likely won't just due to location.  But I am apparently condemned to ski lesser areas in general so it would not surprise me.  Remember, I learned on a rope tow and gas engine double chair at a 250 foot mountain.  I rock the single turn experience.  

  • dcapbtlsdcapbtls intermediate
    Posts: 26
    I skied at Tenney while a student at Plymouth State, and later on in another capacity.  There is a lot of sentiment being expressed over the area, which is great.  However, practically speaking, is it realistic to think that people (other than those who expressed a wish or intent here to visit) will travel to that area from some distance away just to ski on the triple, or maybe the whole mountain if there is abundant snow, when there are far more attractive alternatives?  I applaud the effort, and the enthusiasm, but question the wisdom.

    Additionally, I have read that the real intent is to use the mountain to try to improve snowmaking science and methodology, followed by the sale of this science/technology/etc. to other mountains.  Given the advancements in snowmaking in recent years, and the enthusiastic contributors to the forums here, I am surprised that there has not been more discussion about this plan.  
  • obienickobienick expert
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    The snowmaking lines to the summit of Hornet were cut and in major disrepair.  They had full pressure & no leaks today on the Eclipse side!
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    1,400 vertical for about $25? That seems pretty darn attractive to me no matter what the terrain is like! :)]
    - Sam
  • bubblecufferbubblecuffer advanced
    edited October 2015 Posts: 253

    1,400 vertical for about $25? That seems pretty darn attractive to me no matter what the terrain is like! :)]


    I don't think the entire vertical of the resort will be available.  I seems like only the Eclipse chair will be operational this year.  It's 3100' long and I estimate the vertical between 700' and 800'.  

    I really look forward to when the entire mountain is open.  I'm definitely interested to see what is going to happen with the gladed terrain off the summit as well as the Could 9 and Stumper trails.  
  • obienickobienick expert
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    The Hornet will be operational.  A tramway inspector cleared the rollback brakes on a random visit he made.  I'm sure by now a new load test will be needed as well.  
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 1,862
    I don't know why it has to be said so many times, but THE HORNET DOUBLE WILL BE OPERATIONAL relying on natural snow. ;))
    - Sam
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    Check out this three part interview; here's part one: http://www.newenglandskiindustry.com/viewstory.php?storyid=333
    - Sam
  • RemskiRemski advanced
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    Remski said:

    Having skied Tenney many years on season passes I know the ski area quite well. The trail network in the triple section has very little to offer above the lower intermediate sector. Anyone planning to head there should think about doing that when the rest of the mt. is open. I wouldn't want you to waste your trip just on the triple.


  • mapnutmapnut expert
    edited November 2015 Posts: 769

    Given that Mr. Bouchard is a non-skier, I wonder whether he has any feel for the limitations of the mountain (mainly low altitude and lack of expert terrain), and why it hasn't done well in the past.

     That said, it's nice that there's so much interest here in the reopening (as would be expected for NELSAP), and also at Alpinezone. One of the early articles about Bouchard and Tenney said that he has great plans for a mountain-top conference center and expanding the skiing. That may or may not be true, but I've sketched out plans for expanding the ski area to the north and south. (Just a note to our new members:  I do that all the time, hence my user name.) So shortly I'll be starting a new thread called Tenney Expansion Design Challenge. Again for our new members, we've done dozens of these Design Challenges, where we submit our own fantasy trail layouts. I will lay out the ground rules in the new post.

  • newpylongnewpylong advanced
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    North and South would be good but also West to the true summit like was original intended. I believe he mentioned that is the Master Plan.
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    I'm curious if any neighbouring land would allow for real back diamond/double diamond trails and glades.
  • mapnutmapnut expert
    edited November 2015 Posts: 769

    Good question, but we usually ignore that in Design Challenges.

    I meant that we ignore whether neighboring land can be purchased.

     

  • obienickobienick expert
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    We haven't had a Design Challenge on SJ2.0 yet...
  • bubblecufferbubblecuffer advanced
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    I don't know why it has to be said so many times, but THE HORNET DOUBLE WILL BE OPERATIONAL relying on natural snow. ;))
    This quote in this article is why one might be thinking otherwise...

    "So here’s the scoop: Tenney Mountain plans to reopen Dec. 15, in what geeks would call beta mode. Only half the mountain, the northern side, will have snowmaking and grooming because of issues with the pipes on the rest of the mountain, and just one chairlift, the shorter one, will be running."

  • pagamonypagamony advanced
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    mapnut said:

    Good question, but we usually ignore that in Design Challenges.

    I meant that we ignore whether neighboring land can be purchased.

     

    I think the rocket propelled interconnect with Saddleback will be the key to success !

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    - Sam
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    New Tenney Mountain owners aim to keep ski area open
    By DAN SEUFERT
    Union Leader Correspondent

    PLYMOUTH — The new owners of the Tenney Mountain Ski Area see their background in aerospace communications and energy technology as a positive as they resurrect a business that closed in 2010.

    Michael and Kim Bouchard’s new company, Tenney Mountain Development Group, LLC, bought the 890-acre resort a year ago, having initially planned to move their water reclamation business to the grounds. But they quickly learned of the 45-year-old resort’s history and its place in the community.

    They opened a Facebook page, and soon had 50,000 followers, many of whom asked them to keep the ski area open and rebuild it, and keep the Tenney name, logos, trail names and characteristics.

    “We’ve been working at solving a lot of the ski industry technology, which was very inefficient,” he said. “And the place had been abandoned and vandalized when we got here. It’s been a lot of work.”

    The Bouchards’ company bought the resort for $1.2 million, and has since invested $4 million in upgrades to the ski lifts, the trail grooming equipment, and in technology improvements.

    “We are engineers and physicists, so this is all new to us; we need to spend the first year working on things and making mistakes,” said Bouchard.

    In fact, Michael and Kim Bouchard don’t even know how to ski.

    “We hope to be graduates of our new ski school,” said Michael Bouchard, who is from the North Shore of Massachusetts.

    The ski area will open Dec. 15 or sooner, he said.

    The first year it will operate at one-third of its capacity, with about 20 trails on one side of the mountain open.

    “Unless we have a winter with snow like we had last winter,” Bouchard said. “If that happens, we may open earlier, and we’d open 100 percent of the mountain.”

    Bouchard said he is improving the efficiency of snowmaking, ski trail water systems, and mountain lighting systems on Tenney. He then hopes to share and sell the newfound technologies to other area ski resorts.

    Workers spent the summer months cutting saplings that had grown on the mountain’s trail system and improving the lifts, which had fallen into disrepair. The ski area needs to pass certification tests in three weeks, which will allow the resort to open.

    Snowmaking has been upgraded and spread over one section of the mountain. The ski area plans to sell tickets at prices “that are family-oriented, not like the cost of a family going to a Major League Baseball or National Football League game,” Bouchard said. Tickets will be $20-$50 this year, “and we plan to keep it around that price.”

    The resort’s 2,000 condominium sites, meanwhile, will have more efficient water and septic systems, “using what was already in place here,” he said.

    One of the condominium owners, Lester Gould, had been skiing at Tenney with his family for 25 years before he bought his condo at the base of the mountain in 2004.

    “There are old-fashioned New England trails here, you can ski powder all day long,” he said, adding that he and his wife “are psyched” about the new owners and their plans.

    Bouchard said he is working with Plymouth State University to find “the right people, with appropriate experience” for Tenney. They will likely have 10 full-time employees this year, and 40 when the ski area opens fully next year — unless snow permits it to open completely this year.

    Four of the past owners of the ski area have failed to make it a going concern, Bouchard said.

    “For some reason it hasn’t worked for other owners,” Bouchard said. “With the help of the community, we’re going to keep this place open for a long time.”

    http://www.unionleader.com/New-Tenney-Mountain-owners-aim-to-ski-area-open
    - Sam
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