Areas where there is skiable terrain (on the trail map) where one has to climb to ski

joshua_segal

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“lotsoskiing”>The Rat showed on the 70’s MRG map, but was not labelled. Does not show on current map, nor does it have any signage. </blockquote>

Where is (was) it? Octopus side? 19th Hole side? or the cliffs of the the Double?

rickbolger

riverc0il: I had Stowe to get to the top of Nosedive.  For some reason, I remember a chute from the top of Fourrunner to the top of Nosedive from where they used to start races.  Do I remember wrong?

</blockquote>

This is correct, competitions started above the lift. the Nose Dive has been modified a couple of times

rickbolger

lotsoskiing

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“joshua_segal”><blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“lotsoskiing”>The Rat showed on the 70’s MRG map, but was not labelled. Does not show on current map, nor does it have any signage. </blockquote>

Where is (was) it? Octopus side? 19th Hole side? or the cliffs of the the Double?</blockquote>

Double side. Winds around and actually hits Rt 17 near the last turn to the north on 17 (near the town line) and also at the upper switchback about a ¼ mile below that. Between those two points it goes by the houses along that stretch before leading to practice slope area.

Chuckstah

Bim’s Whim at Sunday River requires a short uphill from the top of the Locke Mtn triple, similar or slightly more than getting to Paradise at MRG.

mapnut

I remember riding the upper T-bar at Sunday River in maybe 1971; it unloaded exactly on the summit of what is actually Barker Mt (elevation 2594). That’s where Bim’s Whim started. The triple chair unloads a bit further west, leaving that uphill. 

catamount82

I know the swamp yankees here want to keep things in New England, but let’s not forget NY who provides a YUUUUGE chunk of the revenue for New England ski industry. I believe the Slides at Whiteface may qualify for this.

pagamony

RE:  STOWE MAP

I love it, look at all those hand lettered angle annotations.  I probably would have died on the snow conditions, but man i would love to go back in time and ski that layout and scale.  

obienick

So that’s why it’s called “National”…

ski_it

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“catamount82”>I know the swamp yankees here want to keep things in New England, …..</blockquote> Hey I resemble that remark, but I’m for inclusion of everyone.

riverc0il

Rat at MRG is off snail, it connects to the top of the practice slope and the upper lot and house along the road. It isn’t on the map but it is a signed trail. Most folks that ski MRG don’t know about it but it isn’t a secret, it has a trail sign and is a popular route for certain situations… climbing is very minimal but you do have to ’bone or side step in one or two spots.

If Cassa and MS at Saddleback are on the list, then East Bowl should go on the list too. Not as long of a slog as MS but I think perhaps shorter than the first Cassa shot. I don’t ski East Bowl too often because of the work it takes to get out and get back (effort to reward ratio isn’t there for me) which is saying something considering how much sides stepping and uphilling I do…

Forerunner to Nosedive is less work than MRG Single to Antelope, I don’t think it is applicable given the criteria. It is a barely uphill skate to get past the Stonehouse. I wouldn’t consider it an uphill at all, you can skate it off the lift without any need of sidestepping.

TomWhite

I rode the single and double in ’79-80 season. I don’t recall a midstation for the single. That’s where the finish of the slalom is on the map. Was it still there then? What was the last season for the single? I think 1986 was the last for the double because the original Forerunner was broken down for Christmas. People were saying, Couldn’t they have left the double.

joshua_segal

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“catamount82”>I know the swamp yankees here want to keep things in New England, but let’s not forget NY who provides a YUUUUGE chunk of the revenue for New England ski industry. I believe the Slides at Whiteface may qualify for this.</blockquote>

I have no problem if someone wants to summarize other states.  I don’t know the mid-Atlantic states well enough to do credible summaries on those states - and if you do try to do summaries, they are more time consuming than you might imagine.

NewEnglandSkier13

Snowfields at Mount Abram has a short walk uphill that can be sidestepped without too much trouble. What is the minimum hike distance/vertical gain for this thread?

joshua_segal

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“NewEnglandSkier13”>Snowfields at Mount Abram has a short walk uphill that can be sidestepped without too much trouble. What is the minimum hike distance/vertical gain for this thread?</blockquote>

Are these snowfields on their trail map?

joshua_segal

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“riverc0il”>Rat at MRG is off snail, it connects to the top of the practice slope and the upper lot and house along the road. It isn’t on the map but it is a signed trail. Most folks that ski MRG don’t know about it but it isn’t a secret, it has a trail sign and is a popular route for certain situations… climbing is very minimal but you do have to ’bone or side step in one or two spots.

</blockquote>

Regarding Rat at MRG: I haven’t found any trail maps that show it.

The climb at Saddleback from Warden’s Way to Casablanca and Muleskinner is substantial.  If East Bowl is comparable and on the trail map, I’ll add it, but at what area is East Bowl?

Regarding Nosedive, the photo above that rickbolger posted is what I remember.  It appears to be about 400′ of vertical. Are we talking about the same thing?

NewEnglandSkier13

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“joshua_segal”><blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“NewEnglandSkier13”>Snowfields at Mount Abram has a short walk uphill that can be sidestepped without too much trouble. What is the minimum hike distance/vertical gain for this thread?</blockquote>

Are these snowfields on their trail map?</blockquote>

They are

joshua_segal

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“NewEnglandSkier13”><blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“joshua_segal”><blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“NewEnglandSkier13”>Snowfields at Mount Abram has a short walk uphill that can be sidestepped without too much trouble. What is the minimum hike distance/vertical gain for this thread?</blockquote>

Are these snowfields on their trail map?</blockquote>

They are</blockquote>

Added in last summary.

riverc0il

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“joshua_segal”><blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“riverc0il”>Rat at MRG is off snail, it connects to the top of the practice slope and the upper lot and house along the road. It isn’t on the map but it is a signed trail. Most folks that ski MRG don’t know about it but it isn’t a secret, it has a trail sign and is a popular route for certain situations… climbing is very minimal but you do have to ’bone or side step in one or two spots.

</blockquote>

Regarding Rat at MRG: I haven’t found any trail maps that show it.

The climb at Saddleback from Warden’s Way to Casablanca and Muleskinner is substantial.  If East Bowl is comparable and on the trail map, I’ll add it, but at what area is East Bowl?

Regarding Nosedive, the photo above that rickbolger posted is what I remember.  It appears to be about 400′ of vertical. Are we talking about the same thing?</blockquote>

Are we talking about current ski areas or historical trail maps? There is nothing on the map at Stowe that you need to hike 400′ to ski. Plenty of off map at Stowe with a hike, nothing no map. The map posted by rick is half a century old.

joshua_segal

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“riverc0il”><blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“joshua_segal”><blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“riverc0il”>Rat at MRG is off snail, it connects to the top of the practice slope and the upper lot and house along the road. It isn’t on the map but it is a signed trail. Most folks that ski MRG don’t know about it but it isn’t a secret, it has a trail sign and is a popular route for certain situations… climbing is very minimal but you do have to ’bone or side step in one or two spots.

</blockquote>

Regarding Rat at MRG: I haven’t found any trail maps that show it.

The climb at Saddleback from Warden’s Way to Casablanca and Muleskinner is substantial.  If East Bowl is comparable and on the trail map, I’ll add it, but at what area is East Bowl?

Regarding Nosedive, the photo above that rickbolger posted is what I remember.  It appears to be about 400′ of vertical. Are we talking about the same thing?</blockquote>

Yeah - I’m more than a half-century old too and didn’t notice the change to the trail map.  I have removed it from the list as per your suggestion!

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