Areas where there is skiable terrain (on the trail map) where one has to climb to ski

MrMagic

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“joshua_segal”><blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“MrMagic”>How about putts panic or putts pearl (I can’t remember which one) it’s a very steep short cliff filled chute at Blandford that you have to hike up to, to ski down right in the middle of the hill. I’ll try to dig up a picture </blockquote>

Is it on the trail map?</blockquote>

Yes it is posted on both trail maps and with trail signs I belive we had a topic about the trail some time ago: if it was or wasn’t the steepest trail in Massachusetts

rickbolger

I wasn’t suggesting that Nose Dive belongs, somebody raised a question, that’s all.

Cannonball

Can someone confirm that East Bowl at Burke and/or Downeast Glade at Camden have sufficient uphill climbs to qualify for this list.

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Burke East Bowl:  I can confirm that on a snowboard it requires sufficient hiking/walking to make the list.  On skis it requires a moderate amount of skating/poling. 

Cannonball

Spruce Peak at SR certainly met the criteria last season.  Hopefully not the case next season. 

Cannonball

The uppermost portions of Jay’s face require taking the stairs. 

rickbolger

The scramble to east bowl @ Burke is no big deal, strikes me as less elevation gain than getting to Upper Antelope 

lotsoskiing

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“rickbolger”>The scramble to east bowl @ Burke is no big deal, strikes me as less elevation gain than getting to Upper Antelope </blockquote>

Even getting to Fall Line at MRG requires a hike to get the upper 50′ vert…

joshua_segal

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“Cannonball”>The uppermost portions of Jay’s face require taking the stairs. </blockquote>

On the trail map?

riverc0il

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“joshua_segal”><blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“Cannonball”>The uppermost portions of Jay’s face require taking the stairs. </blockquote>

On the trail map?</blockquote>

Face Chutes and Tuckerman Chutes are on map but also do not require a hike, maybe a small bit of side stepping. The entire ridge can be skied via the stairs but they are not a named route on the map.

Speaking of Jay, some trails may require a hike if all lifts are not running. This happens at Jay all the time. For example, if the Jet and Bonnie (fixed grips) are running but the Freezer and the Tram are not running, you can ’bone up to Weddlemaster and access everything in the Ullr’s area except the first pitch of Ullr’s and Poma Line. That is a considerable amount of ’boning and side stepping. 

Cannonball

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“riverc0il”><blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“joshua_segal”><blockq 90uote class=“Quote” rel=“Cannonball”>The uppermost portions of Jay’s face require taking the stairs. </blockquote>

On the trail map?</blockquote>

Yes. But this is true anywhere that lifts frequently shutdown: Jay, Wildcat, Cannon, Sunday River, Sugarloaf, etc. That doesn’t seem to be what this thread is about.

riverc0il

I wasn’t suggesting it be added, only suggesting that it was applicable given the criteria.

The difference between Jay and the areas you suggested is in scope. Top of Bonnie to Weddle can be done skating with skis on, maybe just a little side stepping if you prefer. Just a few minutes of hussle opens up a quarter of the mountain otherwise not reachable. This is more similar to the Pico Outpost than the mountains you suggest. I ain’t talking about tossing your skis over a shoulder and investing 30+ minutes hiking an entire trail pod. I’m talking about no more work in sweet and effort than hiking to Paradise at MRG.

Cannonball

I’d say that’s very similar to Cannon. When the tram isn’t running (i.e. 3 days a week) you can still ski Kinsman, Tramline, Banshee Glade, Etc. But it requires a short walk or skate back to the Zoomer.

mapnut

Just a nostalgia note, not a candidate for the list:  In the late 60s and early 70s, when the east side of Sugarloaf was served only by two tandem T-bars, the Buckboard trail started a good 50-foot climb above the unloading of the No. 4 T-bar. Buckboard was the easternmost trail on the lower half of the mountain, a lovely easy intermediate run similar to Lower Widowmaker and Lower Ramdown. But because non-experts had to climb to get to it, it got less traffic and usually had better snow than Ramdown and Widowmaker. Experts, of course, could ski down to Buckboard from the upper T-bar. As a low intermediate in those years, I skied Ramdown and Widowmaker many dozens of times - but Buckboard, because of the climb, maybe only half a dozen. Now the Whiffletree quad eliminates the climb.

joshua_segal

I’m not including climbing required due to lifts not running.

riverc0il

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“Cannonball”>I’d say that’s very similar to Cannon. When the tram isn’t running (i.e. 3 days a week) you can still ski Kinsman, Tramline, Banshee Glade, Etc. But it requires a short walk or skate back to the Zoomer.</blockquote>

But the Cannonball is still running so it is all downhill to get to those trails. I think that would fall under a different listing of climbing to get back to lift rather than climbing to ski, like LA at MRG and FIS at Bush and East Bowl at Burke. 

casual_weekday

If we are expanding to Northeast we could add The Slides at Whiteface. Possibly Upper Stielhang at Gore, about a 10ft. vertical sidestep to get to the very highest point on the trail. There is a lower entrance that requires no hiking. Cloud is a hell of a skate too, mildly uphill at the beginning.

joshua_segal

Remember: The criterion is “Must be on the trail map”.

Summary #2

Some omitted:

- Stowe to get to the top of Nosedive.  This is no longer on the trail map, but was at one time.

- Rat at MRG.  Several SJers knew of it, but it certainly isn’t on recent trailmaps and I couldn’t find it even on some of the historic trailmaps of MRG.

- East Bowl at Burke: While on the trailmap, there is no consensus that it qualifies

- Crotched: The entire upper mountain above Retro before the Rocket was installed.  Fully lift serviced now.

- Ragged: Wilson’s (although I don’t think it is still on their newest trail map)

MA:

- Blandford: Putts Panic or Putts Pearl

ME:

- Big Squaw: Upper trails since upper lift closed

- Black Mtn. of Maine: I’m told that a lift/pod is planned for area, but until it’s there, it counts

- Camden: Downeast Glade

- Mt. Abram: Upper Snowfields

- Saddleback: both Muleskinner and Casablanca

- Sugarloaf: Snowfields

- Sugarloaf: Brackett Basin (added 7/14/17 as per discussion below)

- Sunday River: Bim’s Whim

NH

- Arrowhead: Upper trails since upper lift was removed

- Cannon/Mittersill: The “Saddle” between them

VT

- Killington: to get to Catwalk

- Mad River Glen: to get to Paradise and Fall Line

Got more?

teighs

- Rat at MRG.  Several SJers knew of it, but it certainly isn’t on recent trailmaps and I couldn’t find it even on some of the historic trailmaps of MRG.

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You’re not looking at the correct map:  Map with RatBut the sign at the top says: NOTASKI                                            TRAIL

NJSki

I love the Rat. Just enough room for one skier to make quick tight turns.My gang has had many pile ups on that trail due to someone crashing/stopping at one of the many blind spots. We always joked that it was like watching the chase scene in The Blues Brothers where all the cop cars pile up. Very much like Dukes of Hazzard or Smokey and the Bandit.

NJSki

If you want to go expand to Northeast, I would nominate Hunter Mtn (Hunter One). The top part of Hunter One has Highlands and Hemlocks trails on the maps. Some years there is a lift shown, but others do not have it.https://skimap.org/data/315/1/1283124373.jpg

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