Stratton's Snow Bowl Poma Quad lift is heading to Magic!

ciscokid

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“JMaul”>Money Well Spent.</blockquote>

I like conciseness +1

slatham

There will not be a loading carpet. Magic confirmed this on social media.I also do not think that Stratton “gave them a deal”, although they could have - I am not privy to that. What I am privy too is there was original concern that Stratton and/or Alterra would not want to sell to - and help - a nearby “competitor”. That obviously was not the case, and based on the article, its because Bill Nupp made it happen.

newpylong

Agreed. That is the ballpark going rate for a used lift of that age/type/condition.

newman

Definitely doesn’t hurt with the transport distance. It’s better than say Cherokee NC to Crotched. Saves time and money. The question is can they get Green ready and this new one by late December? And the pond?

On a different moving lift note- When Bousquet got the Hall chair from Eastover, George told me the Bousquet crew took there machines and tools to Eastover. They had the lift down and moved into Bousquets parking lot in one day.

slatham

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“newman”>Definitely doesn’t hurt with the transport distance. It’s better than say Cherokee NC to Crotched. Saves time and money. The question is can they get Green ready and this new one by late December? And the pond?

Eastover in Mass, Lenox area? I stayed there once and sent the info to Jeremy for NELSAP. Little tiny 150′? vert area, with an old but very salvageable Hall double.Regarding Green, lots of work was done last year. Chairs repaired and painted. Sheathes cleaned, painted and new ones milled. Bull wheel barings repaired. New cable and com line delivered. Probably lots more that I am unaware of. I have to assume that the group they hired to finish Green also did the analysis on what was required to install Black, and the timelines to do Green and then Black, and it all worked. So lets hope all goes according to plan.

riverc0il

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“slatham”>What I am privy too is there was original concern that Stratton and/or Alterra would not want to sell to - and help - a nearby “competitor”. That obviously was not the case, and based on the article, its because Bill Nupp made it happen. </blockquote>

A strong Magic could help Stratton. The Mad River Valley has a strong one-two punch with Bush and Mad River. The two areas compete against each other but they also bring regional value that draws people to the area. I don’t think Magic is going to take away Stratton loyalists or vice versa, two very different areas for two very different skiers. But I think there could be some crossover (especially since Magic isn’t open mid-week except powder days) and a higher profile could help all the areas in the valley (rising tide floats all boats style).

lotsoskiing

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“riverc0il”><blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“slatham”>What I am privy too is there was original concern that Stratton and/or Alterra would not want to sell to - and help - a nearby “competitor”. That obviously was not the case, and based on the article, its because Bill Nupp made it happen. </blockquote>

Agreed- As a Valley resident I know that there is a completely symbiotic relationship between the two areas, and they each support the other. There is little cross-pollination (or siphoning of skiers from one to the other). People buy one pass or the other (though I know some who have both), snowboarders ride MRG before it opens for the season and well after it closes. two different customer bases as far as loyal skiers, and tourists will often ski both if conditions allow. Magic/Stratton/Bromley are similar, and keeping all strong helps them all.

That being said, MRG faces a reckoning with regard to snowmaking and climate change. They have to do something to avoid being closed or severely limited during the holidays and after meltdowns. A line to the top of the Double is the minimum required, IMO, but that is another thread.

TomWhite

There are two threads covering the new chair. I’m using this one. The following are minor points, but that’s what we do. I’ve seen that Magic’s chairs listed as short as 5100 (5500 on NESH). But let’s say the new Black line is 5200’,  a bit over 300’ ground length (+600’ total) of haul rope will need to be added. Of course the Magic announcement isn’t trying to cover every detail. But my guess is, they won’t buy/find more chairs, they’ll just stretch those 148 out. Below stats are from Liftblog and NESkiHistory. I don’t think Liftblog is accurate when they list 550 fpm for any fixed grip lift. I don’t think VT permits over 500. They list one of the fastest fixed grips in NE, Sugarloaf’s Skyline at 485. They do have Sunday River’s new Spruce triple (also loading carpet) at 500. So the capacity will be under 2000 pph. But that’s way more than the current 620 pph.

Will they need to pour new tower pads? Will they need to find another tower or two? As I said, these are minor points; getting the Snow Bowl quad is a great move for Magic.

pph        vert        length   chairs    speed

Snow     2000       1380       4877       148         550

Red                        1500       5350

Black                      1500       5500       113

obienick

550 is from the SAM lift survey.  All of the [now former] long quads – Kidderbrook, Snowbowl, Sun Bowl – at Stratton are listed as 550.

That said the new Black quad will run at 485.

I can tell you that Outpost at Mt. Snow moves very fast. Has to be greater than 500.

newpylong

550 is design max (like most fixed grips put it in the 80s and beyond), it won’t run that fast.

They will not add more cable, you avoid double splices especially that close together. So what they have for towersand cable length is what they have to work with. New footings yes.

Outpost runs around the same speed as Challenger at Snow, normal speed is around 450.

edit I love those two triples and think they are perfect for over there hope they are never replaced but that’s just me lol.

TomWhite

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“newpylong”>550 is design max (like most fixed grips put it in the 80s and beyond), it won’t run that fast.

They will not add more cable, you avoid double splices especially that close together. So what they have for towersand cable length is what they have to work with. New footings yes.

Outpost actually runs a touch slower than Challenger at Snow, normal speed is around 435.</blockquote>I’m impressed that +80’s fixed grips can do 550. If I’m correct that the state of VT permits 500 fpm, with more and more loading carpets, will they permit a little faster with those lifts? What do other states permit?

obienick

I hate those two tall towers on Outpost.

newpylong

They are up there for sure!

Mt_Tom

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“shpride”>Looks like you can buy old black chairs for $300 each.

So exciting news. We will keep you all posted throughout the “off” season on both lift projects and our snowmaking pond expansion project. Also, the actual Black Chairs from the old lift will be available for purchase for $300/chair. If you’d like to reserve one or two, please email info@magicmtn.com with your phone number.

</blockquote>A YAN triple from Mount Snow’s Summit Local was $150. Magic wants double the price.

Mt_Tom

Not to burst anyones bubble but Magic hasn’t even applied for an VT Act 250 for approval to replace the lift when I checked this week.

TomWhite

<blockquote class=“Quote” rel=“Mt_Tom”>Not to burst anyones bubble but Magic hasn’t even applied for an VT Act 250 for approval to replace the lift when I checked this week. </blockquote>So they scrambled to buy the lift before anyone else, but now it’s we’ll see. I don’t think the pond expansion will come under Act 250.

newman

They had to get that lift, since they seemed to have the money. Even if they can’t get it running this year. It’s to good a fit and to close to ship for them not to. It will be s game changer for the owners when it all is said and done.

Sully

They aren’t altering a whole lot so the Act 250 stuff shouldn’t be an issue.

newpylong

The 250 lift approval would be a slam dunk if it wasn’t for the liftline extension. I still think it won’t be an issue the state has gotten much quicker at approving last few years.

slatham

Pond requires all sorts of approvals, and was included in a 250 Act filing last year. The interesting twist is the VT water authority (not sure of exact name) wants/requires the pond to be taken offline from the stream. Because the plans and approval process took too long for work to also be done last summer, they got a waiver to use the pond this past winter. I would expect they are working on a new/amended filing to add the Black lift. And they have some time, as not much will be done install wise until Green is done, which is slated for July 1, although I guess that’s not a ton of time…….

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