Daylight Savings Time

mapnut

The US Senate wants to make Daylight Savings Time year-round. How would ski areas deal with this if it becomes law? I assume they need some daylight to get ready for morning openings. Would they just shift their hours from 8 or 9 to 4, to 9 or 10 to 5? I know some areas extend their hours to 5pm in springtime.

rickbolger

article in the Washington Post today says the sleep doctors disagree, daylight savings bad for circadian rhythms or some such thing, we should go to standard time.

I'm confident that congress will follow the science :D :D :D

Link to article

newpylong

We should be permanently at standard time plain and simple IMHO.

lotsoskiing

newpylong;c-54789 wroteWe should be permanently at standard time plain and simple IMHO.

I prefer DST. Love longer afternoons. 4:15 sunset is rough. Tougher to get up in the morning, but anyway.

What I do dislike is changing 2x a year. Would prefer one or the other than having to change

slatham

I have a number of family members who are all for staying on DST. But I don't they realize that in the dark of winter that means a sunrise at around 8:30am. Thats a very dark commute, or wait for the school bus.

For ski ares that rules out any opening before 8:30 (well, without "night skiing" capabilities), and likely rules out 8:30. While areas can easily shift to 9-5, it will negatively impact anyone trying to get some early morning skiing (or whatever) before work or other obligations later in the day.

So not a fan. Though I do see the advantage of not having to change time twice a year.

rickbolger

I remember when we tried the DST thing year round, not a fan.

obienick

What’s more important IMHO is that NE moves to Atlantic time. Look how wide the eastern time zone is — Lubec, ME sunrise today was 6:35am while White Pine, MI was 8:05am. That’s a 1.5 hr difference.

Mt. Washington, MA — the westernmost point in New England — had its sunrise today at 6:59am.

DST all year round helps us in NE; it’s akin to being in Atlantic Standard year round. But it hurts the rest of the country with very dark mornings.

Cannonball

I am 100% in favor of full-time DST. I will take an 8:15 sunrise over a 4:15 sunset every time. I get it up and start my day in the dark all year long anyway and don't mind it. In fact in a lot of scenarios I prefer it. But I crave afternoon and evening sunlight.

JimK

I would be in favor of permanent DST too. One of the great joys of skiing a place like Snowbird that stays open to May and June are all those looong spring afternoons.

Bkroon9175

I am completely against DST. Please just put us on standard time year round

Bkroon9175

Or just officially change the time zone

JimK

Hmmm, now we know why it stays split between standard and DST. We have a split vote in this thread. :)

Cannonball

Bkroon9175;c-54803 wroteI am completely against DST. Please just put us on standard time year round

No argument. Just personally curious what it is you like about permanent ST?

riverc0il

Doesn't the Forerunner at Stowe open at 7:30am? Or is that not all winter? DST in the winter would mean they can't open until 8:30am, during the darkest months.

I can see some areas starting at 9:00am instead of 8:30am during December and January. I don't see opening being pushed back to 9:30am, though. It isn't like there is no light at 7:30am in standard time.

I am 100% for year round DST. I love having light after work when I can actually see it and appreciate it.

I don't change my sleep when the clocks change, so that part wouldn't impact me. When the clocks fall back, I also set my alarm back an hour. So, I don't "lose" any time when clocks move forward in the spring. I keep getting up at the same "time" even though the clock has changed. It takes discipline, but it helps to not have your internal clock get messed up twice a year.

conrad

I like the current system of changing the clocks which does a very good job keeping the sunrise at a fairly consistent time throughout the year (at the expense of sunset varying 4+ hours. I don't really want to have to wake up in the dark and have the sun rise at 8:30 (boy would I hate to be in Michigan and have the sun rise at 9-9:30).

If the change must happen, please spare the confusion and keep standard time and change the time zones. Year round daylight savings time which would just be a bizarre thing to figure out.

joshua_segal

conrad;c-54818 wroteI like the current system of changing the clocks which does a very good job keeping the sunrise at a fairly consistent time throughout the year (at the expense of sunset varying 4+ hours. I don't really want to have to wake up in the dark and have the sun rise at 8:30 (boy would I hate to be in Michigan and have the sun rise at 9-9:30).

If the change must happen, please spare the confusion and keep standard time and change the time zones. Year round daylight savings time which would just be a bizarre thing to figure out.

I think one's feelings on this depends on where in the time zone one lives. Those of of us in eastern NE are actually in the Atlantic time zone geographically speaking and are more than an hour earlier than those in eastern Indiana (or western Ohio) who are geographically in the Central time zone. Whatever is done, there will be a segment of the population who will be unhappy.

catamount82

From my perspective as a geezer, EFF daylight savings time. It's a scam by slackers who can't get up in the morning to steal daylight from those of us who are up and at 'em every day.

How about we turn the clocks back permanently and call it "Bright and Early Time"

ciscokid

obienick;c-54797 wroteWhat’s more important IMHO is that NE moves to Atlantic time. Look how wide the eastern time zone is — Lubec, ME sunrise today was 6:35am while White Pine, MI was 8:05am. That’s a 1.5 hr difference.

Mt. Washington, MA — the westernmost point in New England — had its sunrise today at 6:59am.

DST all year round helps us in NE; it’s akin to being in Atlantic Standard year round. But it hurts the rest of the country with very dark mornings.

Will be going through White Pine in an hour

Crazy time zone line here in West UP

Cannonball

riverc0il;c-54808 wrote I don't change my sleep when the clocks change, so that part wouldn't impact me. When the clocks fall back, I also set my alarm back an hour. So, I don't "lose" any time when clocks move forward in the spring. I keep getting up at the same "time" even though the clock has changed. It takes discipline, but it helps to not have your internal clock get messed up twice a year.

I'm mostly the same. Except that have some time-based morning work obligations so I have to watch the clock. But it still doesn't matter, because I'm more than happy to meet those obligations in the morning whether it's darker or earlier.

The only thing I really care about is afterwork daylight!

And I'm not speaking as a late riser. I already get up in the dark and don't mind it. I really like early morning ski tours, bike rides, and dog walks in the dark. More of that is no problem!

But afternoon/evening daylight is a gift!

lotsoskiing

Cannonball;c-54827 wrote
riverc0il;c-54808 wrote I don't change my sleep when the clocks change, so that part wouldn't impact me. When the clocks fall back, I also set my alarm back an hour. So, I don't "lose" any time when clocks move forward in the spring. I keep getting up at the same "time" even though the clock has changed. It takes discipline, but it helps to not have your internal clock get messed up twice a year.
I'm mostly the same. Except that have some time-based morning work obligations so I have to watch the clock. But it still doesn't matter, because I'm more than happy to meet those obligations in the morning whether it's darker or earlier.

The only thing I really care about is afterwork daylight!

And I'm not speaking as a late riser. I already get up in the dark and don't mind it. I really like early morning ski tours, bike rides, and dog walks in the dark. More of that is no problem!

But afternoon/evening daylight is a gift!

I agree. Up around 6:30 regardless; afternoon and evening light is more valuable to me than morning light.

I honestly doubt this issue will go anywhere, given the Gubmint's inability to pass any legislation. Nice exercise here on SJ, though, as I watch the snow melt.

Back to OP question: I imagine ops will happen by headlight. 8 am lift opening may be tough in western edges of the time zone but could keep on for most. Extending to 4:30 or 5 surely could work, depending on how long sweep takes.