Vail Sucks 2022-2023

tedede

NewEnglandSkier13;c-56146 wrotetaste of their own medicine.

What does that even mean? You complain about Vail not replacing lifts, and now when they do and get blocked they are getting what they deserve?

joshua_segal

tedede;c-56172 wrote
NewEnglandSkier13;c-56146 wrotetaste of their own medicine.
What does that even mean? You complain about Vail not replacing lifts, and now when they do and get blocked they are getting what they deserve?

I think this is what's called free-floating hatred. We have a collection of posters who define "bad" as anything that Vail does.

NewEnglandSkier13

tedede;c-56172 wrote
NewEnglandSkier13;c-56146 wrotetaste of their own medicine.
What does that even mean? You complain about Vail not replacing lifts, and now when they do and get blocked they are getting what they deserve?

There's a big difference in lofts that need to be replaced due to significant reliability issues, and lifts that they want to replace just to increase capacity that the area can't really handle.

djaskipa68

As a person that had lived and worked in Vail, luckily not for VR. When Vail Resorts was in the real estate development they addressed the concerns about parking issues by building their buildings with underground parking to elevate some of those problems. When eliminated/sold that division they no longer had the options to offer except build hub locations like in Beaver Creek and Breckenridge with the Gondolas from the town centers.

Alot of resentment towards VR stemming back to 2012 and how they were involved with a hostile takeover on a technicality made by POWDR. VR came in think they were the boss of the town and pretty much made it known, they will do it their way or the highway. VR created the US vs them (town of PC) and have not been forthcoming on addressing issues.

I understand PC side of thing as a development is planned for the last remaining space adjacent the slopes use currently for parking with no solution in place. VR holds the land rights for that space. So PC is playing the VR game to a T and saying you provide solutions and you get your lifts. Eagle was schedule to be replaced as part of the development proposal, but VR moved that up because of long lines at Payday & Crescent even during the midweek.

No one wants to park at the Canyons and ride a bus or take multiple lifts to the PC side.

Solution...same thing that Breckenridge did with the Breck-Connect transportation hub needs to be done there. Alterra is working on their for Deer Valley, VR needs to do the same. ...And yes I am an Epic passholder. Working together will get results...new lifts.

NewEnglandSkier13

This is just sad. Now Vail is using the social media pages of Atittash & Wildcat for sponsored advertising.

joshua_segal

NewEnglandSkier13;c-56406 wrote This is just sad. Now Vail is using the social media pages of Attitash & Wildcat for sponsored advertising.

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Ski areas over the years have had paid advertising on the backs of chairs, on lift towers, in the lodges.

Ski areas have been used as backdrops for all kinds of product advertisements.

You may not like this kind of commercialization, but pinning this problem on Vail is just gratuitous piling on.

lotsoskiing

joshua_segal;c-56407 wrote
NewEnglandSkier13;c-56406 wrote This is just sad. Now Vail is using the social media pages of Attitash & Wildcat for sponsored advertising.

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Ski areas over the years have had paid advertising on the backs of chairs, on lift towers, in the lodges.

Ski areas have been used as backdrops for all kinds of product advertisements.

You may not like this kind of commercialization, but pinning this problem on Vail is just gratuitous piling on.

Every movie or sporting event has product placement. Ever been to a World Cup race? Basically an avenue for selling coffee, chocolate, juice, you name it. Nothing new.

It is a bit silly and forced, though. A marketing intern's idea.

NewEnglandSkier13

I believe that this post is in violation of FTC rules if this is a paid partnership.

lotsoskiing

NewEnglandSkier13;c-56428 wroteI believe that this post is in violation of FTC rules if this is a paid partnership.

Seems no different than the Bid sign on the outfield wall of a baseball stadium?

NewEnglandSkier13

lotsoskiing;c-56431 wrote
NewEnglandSkier13;c-56428 wroteI believe that this post is in violation of FTC rules if this is a paid partnership.
Seems no different than the Bid sign on the outfield wall of a baseball stadium?

There are specific rules relating to paid sposership posts on social media and by not disclosing the proper information, I believe these posts are in violation.

https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/plain-language/1001a-influencer-guide-508_1.pdf

oldsnowboarderme

Evade, adapt, and survive always comes to mind when I read these posts about Vail.

lotsoskiing

NewEnglandSkier13;c-56432 wrote
lotsoskiing;c-56431 wrote
NewEnglandSkier13;c-56428 wroteI believe that this post is in violation of FTC rules if this is a paid partnership.
Seems no different than the Bid sign on the outfield wall of a baseball stadium?
There are specific rules relating to paid sposership posts on social media and by not disclosing the proper information, I believe these posts are in violation.

https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/plain-language/1001a-influencer-guide-508_1.pdf

Ah, so a line like "Stay hydrated with our sponsor, Gatorade" would be acceptable?

oldsnowboarderme

Why the need to state the obvious?

tedede

NewEnglandSkier13;c-56432 wroteThere are specific rules relating to paid sposership posts on social media and by not disclosing the proper information, I believe these posts are in violation.

https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/plain-language/1001a-influencer-guide-508_1.pdf

Did you even read this? It obligates third party influencers to disclose relationships when promoting a product. The Vail marketing teams work for the various Vail resorts. And if there's any concern that Vail may secretly be a Pepsi customer, all you have to do is to walk into one of their facilities and ask for a Coke. Not to mention you'll find this at the bottom of every one of their resort web pages

oldsnowboarderme

Why anyone would even care to focus on this aspect is beyond me ...

conrad

Maybe I'm just a little old fashioned, but to me those advertisements seem pretty tacky.

joshua_segal

conrad;c-56449 wroteMaybe I'm just a little old fashioned, but to me those advertisements seem pretty tacky.

If this was a new thing, I could understand "a little old fashioned". If I recall, advertising signs started showing up the backs of chairs in the mid-70s. You may not have liked it then, but that's not old fashioned now!

ski_it

Also PepsiCo owns Gatorade

conrad

Yeah, I tend to think a fair amount of ads are tacky, particularly when they are designed to appear in/on a home without the agreement of the owner, and when they appear on clothing in a subtle but not so subtle way. In the case of these Vail ones, they more just seem desperate. They were likely shared here mainly because they're so bad they're funny.

I also think it's a little bit tacky when I show up to a ski area with an agenda to go skiing, and Subaru agents show up to the ski area with a car parked in the way and an agenda to sell cars.

DrJeff

ski_it;c-56455 wroteAlso PepsiCo owns Gatorade

And Taco Bell, and Pizza Hut, and Kentucky Fried Chicken, and probably a half dozen others I can't recall off the top of my head now.

Business is Business. And the reality is if they have an agreement with PepsiCo that nets them a few million a year in profits, that $$ may help fund a new lift for an area we use, and that's not necessarily a bad thing, even if it results in a over hyped product placement ad...

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